Vancouver Canucks Draft Options at 3rd Overall

In this episode of The Draft Board Hockey Show, Linc and I are joined by a special guest, Jacob from Doodle Hockey as we discuss the potential outcomes for the Vancouver Canucks with the third overall pick at the 2026 NHL draft. We go over scenarios as to what prospects may be selected with the first and second overall picks and how that would affect Vancouver's choice at No. 3. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the draftboard hockey show. My name is Mark, and as always, I'm John by my co-host Link. And today we got a special guest from Doodle Hockey. Jacob, how's it going, buddy? Yeah, I'm doing fantastic. This is gonna be a lot of fun, and thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Now, Jacob is a he does Vancouver Canucks hockey chat stuff. So go check him out and uh definitely give him a follow. You're almost at a thousand right now, eh, Jacob?

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Yeah, we've been uh climbing pretty steadily here. Um, it's really exciting. We have a very positive community out over there, and yeah, we're getting close to a thousand. It's uh it's been just a ton of fun, man. I just love talking hockey. I'm a massive hockey fan, and and then I started doing this, and it's been just unbelievable how much support I've been getting. And it's because of you guys like you who keep continue to help me out here and you know, show off and all this lovely stuff. So I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Yeah, so go check out Doodle Hockey. Jacob is he's owned all everything, Vancouver Canucks draft, all that stuff. But today we're gonna talk about the Vancouver Canucks draft options at third overall. Jacob, run us through as a Vancouver Canuck diehard fan. How low did you sink when uh you saw it? Of all teams, of all teams, like honestly, Toronto, like even Lincoln and I were just in shock of con when it happened. We were doing a live stream.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

You know, listen, when when it happened, uh first before before it happened, I'm like, I've already prepared myself. So I'm like, you know what? I'm not gonna get overly upset, I'm not gonna get annoyed, it's gonna be fine. You know, we're probably picking thirds, the odds say third, but then as it's as the draft was getting a little closer, and then the you know, the lottery balls are eventually started going up, and I'm like, oh the the odds are rising, right? Like we had uh up to three balls there in that first one, and then of course you see the Toronto Maple leaves get it, and it just like are you effing kidding me? Like, are you are you kidding me? My heart sunk. I was so annoyed, but at the same time, I'm like, well, at least the Calgary Flames didn't get it too, and they're uh so we're not the only ones in the misery, of course. Uh yeah, it was it was tough. Um, but that's the way it is in Vancouver, man. Like, we're cursed. We all know we're cursed here, and that's the way it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Oh, yeah, no. I mean, look, hey, yeah, I I I pin marked my reaction to the the the lottery myself. I was like, Mark, I I can't I can't do this right now with with Toronto going number one, and then San Jose jump and then San Jose jumping all the way up to two. What is this? What are we doing now?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Come on, yeah. So Toronto jumped up four spots to land the first overall selection. San Jose, like, come on, plus seven. They jumped up seven spots to get second overall. Port Vancouver drops two to number three, Chicago drops two to number four, Rangers to number five, and Calgary at six. Like, oh, unreal. San Jose, they got a pipeline that is just stacked, and now they're getting a second overall pick. Like, come on. What did you think of that, Jacobs? San Jose jumping up to second overall, like that must have hurt too a little bit, eh?

SPEAKER_02 3:14

My my my initial thought was like, okay, well, of course, uh, we're probably not gonna get Stenberg. But then, after thinking about it, after I don't know, 30 seconds, like, wait just a second here. The San Jose chart's been picking, yeah, nothing but forwards for God knows how long now. They desperately need a defenseman. So I think there's a legitimate real shot that the Vancouver Canucks could still get a guy like Stenberg, even if they are picking in that third spot. And you know, unless San Jose decides to trade down and someone trades up and tries to get Stenberg, that's also a possibility. But yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be fascinating to see. And there is just a lot of weird things that can happen at the top of the draft this year. It really is unreal.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

So, yeah, that's what this that's what this show is about today. We're gonna talk about the the third overall option. So let's go over a few scenarios as to you know what's gonna happen. Let's so so okay. First overall, you think is it consensus? Gavin McKenna goes first overall. Like, is it are we are we are like you know, are we are we overthinking this?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Are they gonna you had a you had a try, you had a tough time keeping a straight face there, Mark. Come on now.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Hey, listen, uh you know what? I listen, Stenberg's jumped up in that first overall conversation in midseason, but I you know, Lincoln and I we stuck through it. We were like, no, no, we're we're we're keeping our boy McKenna, he's number one. We've said that from day one, we haven't changed, but okay, so let's let's assume Gavin McKenna goes goes first overall, second overall, San Jose. What do they do with that pick? Now, we know that they're forward heavy, and they got a little bit of weakness on the right side, I guess. Not you know, not terrible, but they could use some help on the right side. They got Sam Dickinson on the left. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Honestly, I think they need a defenseman, and there are some amazing defensemen in this draft. Uh, you they can go with Verhoff. They really want someone a little bit, I would say, higher potential, but you know, you always have that risk of kind of this the decision making. Chase Reed is probably the best defenseman in this draft. He's just an unbelievable skater. He's a physical guy as well, puts up points. This the way he skates, though, is probably the best out of the guys on defense that I've seen at the top of the class. Of course, there's other guys in the like more offensive guys down lower that have a lot more defensive problems, like Xavier and Tom McBlyo and stuff like that. But and then there's Carl, Carson Carls, man. Like this guy, he hits everything that moves. And when he hits, he hits hard. That's something that is, I would say, one of the more special things about him as well, as he's a very good skater, and he really holds the puck well when he has people on him. He just knows what to do with it. Now, he doesn't have, I would say, that creativity with the puck, or maybe even some of the edge work that a guy like Reed does. I think Reed's definitely a little bit more of a dynamic skater in that aspect, um, probably a little bit more aggressive in that aspect. But again, like there's just so many great defensemen up there, and uh also some forwards that I'm sure we're gonna be talking about uh as well. But I I think San Jose, if they're not gonna go Stenberg, um, I think they're gonna probably look at a guy like Chase Reed. I think that just makes the most sense for them personally.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

I always like to opt for in in these sorts of situations that best player available available is a really big thing that some teams could go for, and teams could really see that Ivar Stenberg is going to be that best player available. That is a legitimate option for the San Jose Sharks at number two, even though they've got such a loaded prospect core. I mean, uh I will say Evar brings a little bit of a more uh dynamic game than they have been looking looking at. Uh they could definitely use a guy like him. Um, he's been playing up in the men's league uh for all of this year and most of last year as well. I was lucky enough and fortunate enough to go see him uh in for London last year when I was studying abroad in in Denmark. It was really, really exciting. And uh he did not look out of place as a 17-year-old there. He's been playing as an 18-year-old all season this year, uh, and it's been really impressive. He's had one of the most productive uh seasons as a Swedish 18-year-old or Swedish in the uh Swedish player in the draft year. Um he's getting legit comparisons. I would not knock a team at all if they took him at second overall. That being said, um, I probably would opt for a defenseman here uh with Reed uh specifically. Um Reed, to me, looks like out of all the big four defensemen to be the guy who has the highest chance of becoming a number one defenseman, a true number one guy who can go out in all situations, be your uh number one right-handed shot defenseman, go out on the panel power play, go out on the penalty kill. That's the guy that you could potentially be drafting here. I'm not saying it's a it's a certainty. Uh, he definitely has some flaws for sure, um, especially on the defensive game, but I do think Reed uh is probably the odds-on favorite to go here second overall if I were bet, if I were a betting man today. But uh, I have a different uh person uh going third overall in my mock draft that we haven't talked about yet, and I can't wait to get to.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Well, don't get ahead of yourselves here because we gotta figure out. I will. I'm thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

I'm thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

We got to look at the scenarios first. We gotta look at the scenarios. So now, okay, you you both mentioned no, there is some possibilities of a defenseman here, but I think it all depends on what San Jose deems in their tiers, right? And you got to remember, so I I told this story before. Last year, we had Seattle picking at eighth overall, I think it was. And everyone thought they were gonna go defense because they were stacked up down the middle, right? They had they had uh Maddie Beniers, they had Shane Wright, and they had just drafted Berkeley Catton the year before that. And everyone thought they're gonna go D, they're gonna go D, they're gonna go Murtka. What'd they do? They went Jake O'Brien because obviously they had Jake O'Brien a tier ahead of Murtka, and so they went with that. Guess what? Berkeley Catton moved to the wing, and Jake O'Brien's gonna probably be you know the future uh in Seattle at some point. So San Jose, they might, even though they need D, they might go Stenberg if they got him rated a tier above, like say the Chase Reeds and the Carson Carl. So let's do look, let's go, let's go Reed first, okay? Because that's what everyone has right now. They everyone thinks that San Jose is going read. So Reed goes second overall to San Jose. So then who does Vancouver take at number three? So now you have some options, right? You got Carson Carl, you got Ivar Stenberg, you got Caleb Malholtra. Jacob, let's start with you as a Vancouver fan, a a Canucks connoisseur, I guess you could say. What's uh what are they doing at number three if Chase Reed goes uh second overall?

SPEAKER_02 9:54

All right, so there's a lot to unpack here. So let's let's kind of start with kind of the reports. So the initial reports is the Vancouver Canucks were really liking a guy like Chase Reed on defense. Like that was the initial reports. Hey, we like Chase Reed, we think he's gonna be the best guy in that spot. Well, if San Jose grabs Chase Reed, and recently now Caleb Maholtra has been absolutely flying up a lot of people's mocks, uh, mostly because he's just every time it's he's such an interesting player because every time he gets challenged, he seems to rise up to the occasion. That's something what I just really like about him. It's I think he has really underrated playmaking ability too. He sees the ice extremely well, especially in the offensive zone, where there's certain players where they can just kind of know where to go, where the spots open up, because he's not a crazy dynamic skater or anything like that. He's not gonna just blow by you. He's he's a good skater, but he doesn't have that explosive initial step where a lot of uh pro top-end prospects seem to have. But man, it's just his overall game and just the way he plays hockey and the way he elevates himself in tough situations, like in the playoffs this year. Like he was by far, bar none, the best player for that team. And not only that, there were guys that were selecting in the top 10 with him on that same team that were also not as good as a guy like Caleb Mahulcher. My Holter was just leading the way. He has captain, I would say, leadership. He seems to be a really good kid. Everything about him, I really like him. But that being said, if a guy like Stenberg is available right there for you to pick him, he's NHL ready, he's relentless on the puck. He's another guy who's really good and uh especially when he has the puck. He's one of those guys, he doesn't he doesn't waste plays. I I that's kind of the most like fun thing I can say about him. I know that sounds kind of boring, but it really isn't. When he has the puck, he always knows what to do with it. Either if he makes a nice move that he creates space against the defenders, or he kind of knows where his defender is gonna be or the player is gonna be going when he makes a nice pass. Like, there's things about Stenberg's game that are just at such a high level, and even though he might not have that super top-end ceiling of a guy like Gavin McKenna, there's just so much to like about his game, especially his two-way game. I would be like I honestly, I would be pretty stunned if they if they pass on a guy like Stenberg and they go with uh some of these other options.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Well, I'm about to rock your world here with a little bit of perspective. Not gonna lie to you. Uh yeah, that's gonna be a guy. I'm kidding, no, I'm not gonna bring in someone new. Um, it's obviously between the three players that were mentioned before. Um, Carson Carrolls is a very interesting, interesting case. Uh if Reed goes uh at that two spot. Um I think the Canucks have a very, really solid and not under talked about blue line right now. I think Philip Honick is a guy that is generally very solid. Uh uh Zev Boyam is your future. Uh Tom V Lander is not bad as well. And you have a couple other uh good good enough uh blue liners who I think are coming up in the in the wings, like Sawyer Minio as well. I I I think I think adding another very solid depth defenseman there in Carson Carls is a very good step forward. However, obviously, we know where the weaknesses are with Vancouver, and that's going to be up front uh in the in the forward core. Um and I go back and forth between Malhotra and Stenberg because obviously one is going to be playing in the NHL next year, um, and the other is going to be playing in the NCAA next year. What do you want out of these two? The wing depth is not great in Vancouver, but the center depth, in my opinion, has been a lot worse. Um, Caleb Malholtr brings a lot of things, and the potential to be a number one center is definitely one of them. He has the speed. I really enjoy the his speed that he makes the play uh that he makes plays at. I love his two-way game. He's not as physical as his father, Manny, who's also the coach of the Abbotsford Canucks, which I'd just like to throw out there. Um, but he's also very creative. Uh, me and Mark uh had the pleasure of seeing uh Caleb Malhotra play in Brampton um in kind of a throwaway game, and he wasn't even really trying it. He was making some effortless moves, some really great backhand uh passes, really great uh playmaking options. I think he really has some sky high potential here. Um but also you got Iver Stenberg, and he's shown what he can do right away. Obviously, this is a guy that you if if you're Vancouver, forget about it. He's playing on your first line from day one, he's playing your first power play from day one. Penalty kill, I'm not certain actually I I can tell you right now, I don't think he's gonna be a penalty kill guy uh from day one, but he's going to be playing at that level from day one. And the that is what you can expect from him. My big question is, and I think this is the thing that's having these guys rack each other's brain uh in the Vancouver brass right now is who's gonna be the better player in five years, who's gonna be the better player in ten years? I think it's a legitimate, tough conversation that they need to have. And from for now, I'm I'm leaning Malhotra, kind of. Um that's kind of where I've landed with that. So it's a tough discussion. Um, for me, it's neck and neck, but it's between Malhotra and Stenberg.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Oh, sorry, I and I love how you mentioned like Ziv Buyam and all those guys on defense because that is definitely the strength in the Canucks organization. Uh, like right now, we might have the Sedines coming in as president, we might have uh Ryan Johnson, which is a lot of people are saying that.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

It's all but confirmed pretty much general.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah, exactly. This is pretty heavily not officially confirmed, but like there's there's enough noise now, I think it's fair to say. But you know, the one interesting thing is you look at that defense, and you're right, they could go with a guy like Carson and who has just a gr a number of traits that would be very, very uh you know attracted to the Vancouver Canucks, and of course they can go with the right right defense, but like they kind of need everything, even with the defense looking and how good it's looked, and or sorry, like the potential of potentially our defense. And Z William is a left guy, he's gonna be playing the power play at the end of the season. He was getting a lot more minutes, um, getting more significant role, and he started to feel a lot more comfortable, uh, which was really nice to see some of that creativity come out because it wasn't showing as much early on when he came from that package for Quinn Hughes. So it it's gonna be fascinating to see. I feel like they need they just need so much. This is where we're very early on in this rebuild. So yeah, it's your your spot on, Link. Yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 16:39

We were big fans, we were big fans of uh Ziv Buyam in his draft year. Remember, Link? Huge fans of the five. We pumped his time. We thought he he was gonna go a lot higher than he did.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

I I had him as my third uh ranked player in that draft class. Um, obviously Celebrini and Demodov were one and two. Um, I don't think anyone could have expected Beckett Seneca. I guess some people could. I mean Patford B could have whatever. But I'm not but I'll I'll fully say that I was extremely high on Zeb Boyam. And like even if I end up being wrong, and even if I if I and if it ends up like affecting my process of how I do things, I I'm I I do love a guy like Z B William. I think he's been fantastic. He's been one of my favorite players to watch internationally at two world juniors. Let's go. Gold medal winner right there. That was so awesome. Oh, oh, I'm gonna start. But anyway, um, no, he's I I think he's gonna do a lot of really good things in Vancouver. Obviously, he's not a right shot defenseman, but I don't think he needs to be. He's a great 2-8 guy. Um, obviously, if Vancouver was picking second, I think the the calls for Chase Reed, this would be an even tougher call because Chase Reed, Eva Stenberg, Mahotra, that is just a really hard bit of weeds to pick through. It's really tough. Um, so you know, I feel bad for you, Jacob Jacob, that you're not picking McKenna because that would have been a really easy pick. But you know that would have been that would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

We probably wouldn't be doing this recording if that was the case.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

It's like absolutely not the first overall. That's fine. We can do a 20-minute segment on McKenna, how he's going to Vancouver and changing everything for no.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

So let me let me throw a wrench into this whole situation. What happen what happens if uh Mr. Evar Stenberg has himself a really successful world championships? Because that could sway the the you know the Vancouver Canucks if if, like, say Chase Re goes second overall, then you gotta make a choice between Evar Stenberg, who just had himself a great SHL draft year, second best points per game ever in the SHL in their draft year, and then he goes and has a really good world championship. Now, Caleb Malholtra led Brantford in scoring in the playoffs, and you got to remember who's on that team, right? There is some top-end talent, high draft choices on that team, and he led the team in playoffs. He literally, in the whole year, he's just kind of escalated his play every week, every month. He got better and better. So, Jacob, Ivar Stenberg puts on a show at the World Championships. Does that make you change your mind on Caleb Malholtra over Stenberg?

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Well, I I still think we should go Stenberg overall. Um yeah, I I 100% if he's there, uh, but I I just wanted to give a little bit of a case on Caleb because like Caleb is going to be a very good player, and I I do believe he does have one C potential, truly. Um, I know maybe some people think it's a little bit less than that, maybe a 2C. I know earlier on, like let's say a couple months ago back, a lot of the rankings thought maybe he was being 2C, but like like you just said, and like we we kind of all said here, like he's just been elevating himself, and every time he's been has a new task, doesn't matter what to do, PK doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what it is. He's elevated himself and he's looked better than ever every single time. He's an unbelievable riser, like even Chase Reed like came not out of nowhere, but like he's an unbelievable riser as well. And uh, you know, Verhoff is interesting too because you look at him and he just started to be a defenseman what six years ago. Like, there's just so many interesting options. I still Stenberg, though, I just feel like he is the second best player in the draft, and the Canucks need like pretty much everything. I know our defense is all right, but we need pretty much everything. So I think Stenberg just makes the most sense, Mark.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Okay, so Stenberg goes second overall now to San Jose. We go and chase Reed. End of discussion. That's it, we're done.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Uh um I I think so it it's a lot, there's a lot of things that could happen here before the next few, like a month and a half here. Um, like who's gonna be, you know, obviously your general manager, president, coaching. Yeah, is your coach gonna get fired? Does that affect things potentially um if with who they're gonna pick? I think that's that's definitely a conversation that's been going on here in Vancouver for sure. Um, if you want to go best player available, I believe that is uh Chase Reed. But you know what? I've been watching more Carson Carlsman, more tape on him, more games of him, and he's really starting to make me think about that uh a little bit, even though he's a left-handed guy and we need more of a right-handed guy. I like my ultra. I actually I I think we also like like Link mentioned a little bit earlier, that center depth, right? Like we don't they have Coots coming up, and Petey, there's a chance he might get traded. Who knows what's gonna happen there? And we have uh Marco Rossi up the middle. We we need another center, and yeah, so it's interesting. And then next year's draft has so many good centers too. Like that's another thing you have to think about uh with uh with the draft coming up next year. Also, the certain guy you might have heard of Lana Dupont is pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

He's not too bad, eh? He's not bad, he's not bad. Uh Link Reed or Malholtra, third overall I'm still going Malholtra.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

I I still think that um i i it's a bit tougher for me because I think The more that I think about it, the more I think about like the top four of this class for me has been pretty solidified, with Carson Carl being just outside of that top four. Um it's just a matter of what is more important to you at this point. I think that you I would personally have more faith in a guy like Ziv Boyam and a core of Ziv Boyam with Hronik, with V Lander, with uh Pederson, with uh Sorominio coming up, a guy who made two world juniors, uh, who made a world junior s of himself. Uh you've you've got good prospects in in the defensive system. Uh I I think you have I think you have the what it takes to go for a center. If you believe that this guy is a number one center, go for him. If you believe that Reed is a number one defenseman, go for him. I I kind of am leaning a little bit more Malhotra just because I believe that he can become more um obviously he's gonna play in college next year. This is a weird situation where um Malhotra, Reed, Carrolls, Verhoff, they're all playing in college next year. They're not gonna make the jump to the NHL. It's just gonna be McKenna and and and Stenberg, which is like kind of weird to think about, but that's just the nature of the beast nowadays. So if you take a guy like Malhotra or Reed, it doesn't really matter because you're not gonna get them for a year. That's what we're thinking right now. But I I think both of them do need to play uh a year in college, so we'll see what happens. But that that's that's fine. Michigan State's an incredible program for Reed, and then BU is a program uh that had a team this year. Um a little bit of uh they they had a little bit of a rough year this year. No, I saw them this year. And uh no, they're better next year, though. They're gonna be better next year, they will be better next year. I well, let's hope.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Um is another interesting defenseman that uh has been kind of turning heads, just like a little little heads, turning up a little bit uh in Vancouver as well. Um, he's an interesting prospect on defense that the Canucks have. I know they're very high on him, and he had a few games at the end of the Canuck season this year, and he looked he looked great. So uh that's just something I throw out there as well.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Hey, you never know where they where these guys can come from, right? You know, Sam Malinsky right now, who's just uh powering through with the Colorado Avalanche right now. Uh he's just a guy who was in their AHL program for years and years and years. So develop prospect development is crazy. It's it's it's not it's not a very linear process. But um I don't know. The more I think about this, the more I I think it makes sense uh overall for the Canucks to go for a guy who's gonna play in in the NHL next year. But because no, because nobody nobody like really tanks, so I feel like they're gonna take it, they're gonna take a shot at a guy like Senberg. But if he's gone, uh Malhotra and Reed's a very interesting debate. So I'll lean Malhotra now, but Reed's very close.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Oh, you know what? Listen, I want I want the the the viewers to to let us know who they think. All those Vancouver fans out there, who do you like at number three based on the scenarios that we talked about? But uh yeah, Jacob, anything else to uh input us here or what? Are we uh we think we covered our bases?

SPEAKER_02 25:00

I'll I'll say this if Vigo Bjork was like a couple inches taller, he would be in this conversation too. Because that guy is we love Vigo, he is a special player, and like my my rankings are probably gonna be coming out pretty soon here. And uh you you might be surprised where I actually have him. He is uh he is an unbelievably good player and he's a bulldog as well. Don't think the Canucks will go that crazy and do a hot take and grab him, but hey man, like if they somehow get another pick, you know, who knows where where they could go.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Jacob, I know some people who uh will hear that and will go crazy and be like, oh my gosh, I can't wait for Vigo to go top three. No, I Vigo's fantastic. I've seen him in person. He's he's every bit as awesome as you think he's he is, but I'm not putting my reputation on the line to put him over. Like, not not at all.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Definitely not.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

It's it's that's a that that's the game you play.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

So listen, uh at this this draft, second overall, on it could be it's gonna be it's gonna be wild. And Lincoln and I are gonna be there live. We're gonna we're gonna be in the thick of it. And uh I cannot wait. But Jacob, thanks for joining us. Everyone, go check out Doodle Hockey. He's he's a big Vancouver guy, he's gonna talk all the Vancouver stuff for you. Go get him to a thousand subscribers. And uh, of course, my boy Link. Hey, we're we got more stuff. We got lots of stuff coming up in the near future.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

We'll make some new stuff soon.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Jacob, thanks for joining us, buddy. Appreciate the uh time and uh and the input.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really, really do appreciate it. You guys make great content, you guys are great people, and I hope I see you guys again someday.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Of course, you will. We're we'll we'll talk sooner to the uh draft. We'll we'll get together again. All right, everyone. That's it for this episode. And uh thanks for watching, and we'll see you soon. Cheers.